[Supertractorman]

If you were to consider setting up a 5 van certificated site which organisation would you go with C.C or C&CC ?, and which one do you think would bring you more visitors ?.

David

[Ian03/54]

Supertractorman, on 27 July 2010 - 07:58 PM, said:

If you were to consider setting up a 5 van certificated site which organisation would you go with C.C or C&CC ?, and which one do you think would bring you more visitors ?.

David

Hi David,

We just looked at this question from the opposite direction: Which club should we join for quiet locations? We decided to go with the C.C because we wouldn't be bothered with tents (our thoughts were that tents will bring with them more noise; larger groups camping together, kids, etc.) We spoke with the C&CC at The Great Escape weekend and was told that all of their CSs have to have toilets because of tent campers not having their own facilities. We didn't want to be paying towards these facilities and that turned us away from the C&CC. So in answer to your question, I would think it would cost more to set up and go with the C&CC wereas you "only" need a tap and a drain in your CL with the C.C, this could be a very important factor whereas maybe more traffic through the gates, and so more income with the C&CC. I think if I were in the position it would come down to the proposed location; if trying to attract walkers in a lovely rural area I would think that back-packers may form an important part of the clientel so that would lead me to the C&CC, then again in town I would set up a very simple "Aire" type of CL site catering for motorhomes and caravans . Does that help you at all?

[enodreven]

Hi,

While it may not be strictly in keeping with the rules, most of the CL/CS we have used cater for more than the 5 vans, while they may not advertise the fact more often than not there is sufficient room for more vehicles, taking that into account I'm not sure it would really matter what club you went with, it would be in my opinion more important to market yourself and not leave your future income just to the low level marketing that either of the clubs provide.

I'm also not sure of when and how you can change your licence from a CL/CS to a small campsite but if I were thinking of entering into this very difficult project I would be very interested to find out as I assume its your local council that issue the licence.

Hope that helps and makes some sense

Brian

[reader]

We go to a CC CL which is at a small charity. They are considering pulling out of the network due to shall we say
admin issues. Any member of the charity will still be able to use the site (as part of the membership package.

We are in both clubs so it matters not to me which we use, but if running one would select the C&CC.
I think the directory makes it easier to find the small sites.

[Supertractorman]

Ian,
Thanks for your comments. I note what you say about toilets, but in this case maybe not too much of a problem.

Brian,
It would appear that both organisations have the authority to grant the licence, and it is not necessarily down to the Council. You do have to have Public Liability Insurance plus pay Business Rates, although the sums can be dependant on your revenue I believe.

Reader,
I am interested in your comments regarding admin, as the CC always seem more formal in everything.

In general if you are going to try something it is down to bums on seats as they say, and the C&CC Big book certainly is easy to look through for sites.
Thanks for your comments so far.

David

[enodreven]

Hi, David

Just before the free site went chargeable there was some suggestion that the website owner could some how grant the same rights for a CL/CS as the main clubs, I also believe some of the other clubs e.g. MCC I think its called plus the CSMA both have sites which may be interesting finding out what they have to offer.

Again I really do think its advertising/marketing that will make or break this type of venture, I assume you are looking into it for yourself and if your are I really wish you every success, and if I can be of any help just ask

Brian

Here's a link to the CSMA they have a button to a link "CL Site Inspection form" which appears they can register/licence CL's, don't know how big their membership is but it could be more selective which could possible help. http://www.csmacampi...avanning.co.uk/

Here's a link to the Motro Caravanners Club CL application site

http://motorcaravann...id=36&Itemid=88

[Mick H]

In answer to Davids original question on this thread, I don't think there would be a great deal of difference between clubs on how many campers might use your CL/CS. We have been members of both, over the years, but nowdays tend to stick with just the CC, mainly to save two yearly subscriptions, but also because their CL's often seem more numerous and generally, cheaper that CS's.
I am also a CSMA member, and their camping section is included as part of the membership, without any extra fee, but I rarely use this facility.

Regarding the C&CC CS's having toilets, the majority still don't. I had never realised that this was part of their criteria and would have thought that it would stop many potential site owners from opening CS's, if it was ever insisted upon.

Thinking laterally, I hope that David is thinking of opening a CL/CS, because we will be touring Scotland next year, hopefully.

Mick H.

[johnmc]

My Son-in-law, is thinking of turning one of his paddocks into a CL/CS, don't know how far along he's gone, but' he did say C&CC seemed to be the best bet, because, although you are limited to five units at any one time, you can have as many tenters as you like as well!
Don't know if this helps.

as aye (Dad coming through)

johnmc

[smifee]

Make it the C&CC David. We left the CC a few years ago but keep the C&CC for the Motorhome Dump & Rinse or whatever they call it ( we call in after a few days 'wildcamping' to dump & fill ).

One thing about C&CC CS sites is that although they have to have a toilet they don't have to have a chemical disposal point. Another reason to switch to Bio washing liquid/tabs/capsules?

[HAGAR]

Supertractorman, on 27 July 2010 - 07:58 PM, said:

If you were to consider setting up a 5 van certificated site which organisation would you go with C.C or C&CC ?, and which one do you think would bring you more visitors ?.

David

Hi Supertractorman,
Hope your both keeping well, Don't forget, it is now a condition of both clubs, that any new CL's must include a bowling green!!.
Cheers hagar.

[Supertractorman]

Hagar,

Suppose you will want further training included in the nightly rate

Regards, David

[Graham Hadfield]

enodreven, on 28 July 2010 - 09:28 AM, said:

Hi, David

Just before the free site went chargeable there was some suggestion that the website owner could some how grant the same rights for a CL/CS as the main clubs,

More than a suggestion Brian. A licence was granted by the Secretary of State for the Environment on 13th May.

Graham

[kontiki]

Can't see anybody wanting to set up a CL with the Motorhome fun site as they can't have that many members left to make it worthwhile. When he said they had a license to create their own CL's I thought it was a good idea & some money could be generated to run the website, by making it a subscription site he drastically reduced his membership.

I think that location is a factor that can influence which club is likely to offer the best solution for you. Where are you & what is nearby, are their shops within walking distance, is their a town/village/beach etc. nearby. If you are looking to get the maximum income then you have to think why anybody would want to come.

[davebess]

After a lot of thinking i go for the Caravan club. A larger membership and more CLs covering whole UK .

cheers Dave

[Richard]

I've read this thread a few-times to get the idea of what's happening though it hasn't answered the question of why a C&CC site I just stayed at had 20 hook-up stands and yes, toilets. I'm Ok with the toilets but why all those hook-ups ?

Another point is this;

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Where are you & what is nearby, are their shops within walking distance, is their a town/village/beach etc. nearby. If you are looking to get the maximum income then you have to think why anybody would want to come.

In my case I'm looking for peace. Peace from others and traffic, and of-course dogs, I haven't turned our paddock into a CL because I figured not many would want the sort of peace and isolation that I enjoy. 15 minutes drive or a bum-numbing cycle ride to the nearest pub/shop but the loveliest drinking-water you've tasted for years, straight off the Presselli Hills via some basic filtering and testing.




What do people want from a CL, cheap-camping next to clay-shoot or cheap-camping on a farm that provides a field with a view ? What is the perfect CL ?